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Flounced Fics (Twilight fanfiction)
« on: January 14, 2013, 04:02 PM »
Ok folks, list em here. Fics that you have flounced, and why you flounced them. Help keep others apprised of the good, the bad, and the badly edited. :-*

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Re: Flounced Fics
« Reply #961 on: October 20, 2014, 09:41 PM »
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Sigh, thanks for letting me know I wasn't PMSing when I wrote that review. I had issues with 50 shades, but I still loved Fifty. Dissectingward should be dismembered and set on fire.

I got drawn back when I heard the outcry about the "cliffie/pull/oh hey thar ....buy my book" thing.  For some reason, I am more invested in Edward and Bella in fanfic form, than characters in a regular book: like I somehow need to 'approve' of how the author is making the characters 'dance', or profiting from them.

It's like ExB are 'mine'. Lol. (don't worry: I share!)

I have to say I think what bothers me about Dissecting Edward is exactly what makes me angry in The Red Line.  There's a between-the-lines bad smell that comes across as disdain of their 'own' ExB characters. It's like Edward is this dark hero, going through the trials of redemption, but the satisfying redemption never actually happens: only more idiotic crap. I get the feeling the writers don't actually like ExB.

This gets me upset because I feel like 'my' Edward is being mistreated by being forced into a fanfic character I don't like. I see him in my head and he's been forced to do what now? The h ... elll!?!?!?

Um, that's crazy, right?

I think fanfic is a great place for new writers to play with 'stock' characters in any which way the writer sees fit: they may get some tomatoes thrown at them, but that's how it is on the WWW stage. It's a good way to learn why you should respect your readers, and why writers should honor the social contract. That contract is really strong is fandoms like Twilight.  Writers can do what they want to poor Edward, as long as they make their intentions clear, and they don't abuse the reader's good faith and expectations.

If the author fundamentally dislikes the canon, however, you can get a sense of it in how they treat the fandom readers: indifferent to our pain,  followed by a shouty-cap flounce.

I'm not saying writers 'owe' their readers, but you can tell when a writer knows they are pushing the fandom envelope by the way they treat their audience. Some know enough to post warnings, and some writers clearly don't give a damn, and to their peril. Most smart writers will say "I haven't finished this, but I plan to post bi-weekly," or "this has cheating" or even a consoling messages about a cliffie and a promise when the next update will be (and delivering on that promise). Readers might be freaking out, but if the author is smart they will recognize 'what' freaks us out, and address it.

Then there's the huffy and dismissive behavior, say like .... chynnadoll36. That train-wreck cliffie to book-pitch flounce was .... conniving.

In The Red Line, I thought the author was punishing Edward with his relationship with Bella, in which Bella seemed to play a role in his humiliation, just like all the other women in Edward's Red Line life. That's fine because the author never tried to capitalize off the fandom.  She has the right to write what ever she wants because it's (free) fanfic, and you could tell by the frank way she wrote, she wasn't going to pull any punches. What you saw was what you got. I personally didn't like it, but I will admit I read it, and it feels like it was a big part of the twicracfandom, like it or not.  TBH: the ending made sense for the story. At least we got an ending ....

I got the feeling that with Dissecting Edward, the author had planned the cliffie-to-book-push from the get go. I felt like it was a set up, and this bothers me even more than her despicable treatment of my Edward errr.... her characterization.

I do not have these warm fuzzy feelings for chynnadoll36. I think it's mutual when it comes to the twifandom. I honestly think we deserve better treatment as fans and readers.

I knew the fic was going to be bad, but that flounce stunt? The old bait and switch to P2P enrages me. 

As far as the story goes .... even when it's bad ... it's weirdly kind of good? It's like fanfic is reality TV: my expectations are waaaay different. I expect my books to be like HBO, but fanfic can be campy and dumb and I might shake my fist or roll my eyes, but I am not giving it up. Too much fun. And when they get 'my' Edward right and the writing's good? There's nothing better!

The good news is is Dissecting Despicable Edward was free, and there are plenty of books and fanfic in the sea.  ;D

.... and maybe chynnadoll36 could put out a amazing fan fic, and allll is forgiven.  ;)
(I won't hold my breath.)
So that one gets stricken from the TBR list.  Though, honestly? I don't think it really was on it. 

I totally agree with your rant.  And? It is why I tend to still stick up for Icy.  Yeah, she pulled to publish.  But she finished the story.  On her own blog after ffnet dumped her.  she gave us plenty of warning and kept enough chapters up that we could finish it . And she didn't piss and moan about people posting it elsewhere like some writers.

I haven't been able to read the Red Line myself.  I can handle an abused Edward or even an abused Bella, as long as the abuse is pretty much over.  I don't really get the actual portrayal of abuse. Reliving what happened in the past? Yes.  But to me the story is the recovery.  Abuse is nasty stuff and when it happens to my Edward?  Well, I want to torture the abuser back.  Let them see how it feels.  So, yeah, not something I want to read.   :P

LOL! But that wasn't what your rant was about.....  I'm just agreeing.  They are MY characters.  You don't mess with them and call it canon.  Okay, you don't mess with them much.... And if Edward is a jerk, there better be a reason for it, and he better not be one with Bella for long.....  :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: Flounced Fics
« Reply #962 on: October 21, 2014, 04:37 PM »
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So that one gets stricken from the TBR list.  Though, honestly? I don't think it really was on it. 

I totally agree with your rant.  And? It is why I tend to still stick up for Icy.  Yeah, she pulled to publish.  But she finished the story.  On her own blog after ffnet dumped her.  she gave us plenty of warning and kept enough chapters up that we could finish it . And she didn't piss and moan about people posting it elsewhere like some writers.

I haven't been able to read the Red Line myself.  I can handle an abused Edward or even an abused Bella, as long as the abuse is pretty much over.  I don't really get the actual portrayal of abuse. Reliving what happened in the past? Yes.  But to me the story is the recovery.  Abuse is nasty stuff and when it happens to my Edward?  Well, I want to torture the abuser back.  Let them see how it feels.  So, yeah, not something I want to read.   :P

LOL! But that wasn't what your rant was about.....  I'm just agreeing.  They are MY characters. You don't mess with them and call it canon.  Okay, you don't mess with them much.... And if Edward is a jerk, there better be a reason for it, and he better not be one with Bella for long.....  :D :D :D :D :D

I know what you mean: I like my characters a little damaged, roughed-up, crazy or even a jerk... but I hate it when there are whole sections of detailed first-person abuse ... I just can't ... go there mentally.  I'll skim if the overall writing/story is good, but I don't want to get 'that' imagery stuck in my head, and then read some lemons.  ??? I get annoyed when MY 'Edward' (ahem) is getting repeatedly humiliated and violated and the resolution to his problems are unrealistic (ie Bella's love/vagina/pancakes).

Like you, I don't have a problem with ICY, or any other author's fic getting published (good for them, and for some: good luck, you're going to need it). Icy getting published did nothing to diminish my enjoyment reading MotU: I enjoyed getting the regular updates, the highs and lows, and I wasn't surprised it did well: the writing wasn't strong, but the characters and storyline was fascinating.  I wish Icy would have gotten red-penned by a proper 'content' editor, mind you.

I skimmed all the parts about the cigarette burns, because I honestly did not buy that some random stranger was going to start torturing some little kid simply because 'he was a drug-addict'. Edward seeking out a Dominatrix to deal with the anger/abuse did make sense, so that's why I stuck with the story.

I guess I am really ticked off by chynnadoll's brinkmanship: buy my book to find out the ending.  >:D

Can you imagine if Icy did that to us? 

What if "Dead on My Feet" and "Master of the Universe" and "Diva Diaries"  did the same thing: made us pay for a book to find out the ending.

I don't even want to think about it. :-\

 
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Re: Flounced Fics
« Reply #963 on: October 21, 2014, 05:08 PM »
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I know what you mean: I like my characters a little damaged, roughed-up, crazy or even a jerk... but I hate it when there are whole sections of detailed first-person abuse ... I just can't ... go there mentally.  I'll skim if the overall writing/story is good, but I don't want to get 'that' imagery stuck in my head, and then read some lemons.  ??? I get annoyed when MY 'Edward' (ahem) is getting repeatedly humiliated and violated and the resolution to his problems are unrealistic (ie Bella's love/vagina/pancakes).

Like you, I don't have a problem with ICY, or any other author's fic getting published (good for them, and for some: good luck, you're going to need it). Icy getting published did nothing to diminish my enjoyment reading MotU: I enjoyed getting the regular updates, the highs and lows, and I wasn't surprised it did well: the writing wasn't strong, but the characters and storyline was fascinating.  I wish Icy would have gotten red-penned by a proper 'content' editor, mind you.

I skimmed all the parts about the cigarette burns, because I honestly did not buy that some random stranger was going to start torturing some little kid simply because 'he was a drug-addict'. Edward seeking out a Dominatrix to deal with the anger/abuse did make sense, so that's why I stuck with the story.

I guess I am really ticked off by chynnadoll's brinkmanship: buy my book to find out the ending.  >:D

Can you imagine if Icy did that to us? 

What if "Dead on My Feet" and "Master of the Universe" and "Diva Diaries"  did the same thing: made us pay for a book to find out the ending.

I don't even want to think about it. :-\
The cigarette burns made sense because it was her pimp/dealer that did it.  He didn't like the fact she had a kid that probably interfered with her work making money for him. He seemed like the nasty type. 

There have been a few writers that have pulled the "if you want the end, you have to buy it" crap.  Fortunately, few have been good enough to want to read before they were completed. So I never got stuck.  Silverblossom Jordan has done it a few times. Though im not sure if some of that was because ffnet kept pulling her stuff.  But she could have finished on TWCS where she was also posting. 

I hate to say it,  but there are few fanfics I would buy without major editing.  A lot of these writers think they are so good from the positive reviews.  But for free? I don't complain much about the horrible writing, bad plot, and stilted dialogue.  But if I'm paying?  You should have run it through the grammar and spell check at a minimum.  :P
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Re: Flounced Fics
« Reply #964 on: October 21, 2014, 06:31 PM »
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The cigarette burns made sense because it was her pimp/dealer that did it.  He didn't like the fact she had a kid that probably interfered with her work making money for him. He seemed like the nasty type. 

There have been a few writers that have pulled the "if you want the end, you have to buy it" crap.  Fortunately, few have been good enough to want to read before they were completed. So I never got stuck.  Silverblossom Jordan has done it a few times. Though im not sure if some of that was because ffnet kept pulling her stuff.  But she could have finished on TWCS where she was also posting. 

I hate to say it,  but there are few fanfics I would buy without major editing.  A lot of these writers think they are so good from the positive reviews.  But for free? I don't complain much about the horrible writing, bad plot, and stilted dialogue.  But if I'm paying?  You should have run it through the grammar and spell check at a minimum.  :P

Silverblossom Jordan received way too much attention for a semi-literate hack . She thrives off drama more than pride in her work. I couldn't even get past chapter one. I flicked ahead and my mind boggles at how infantile it reads. Like a dumbed-down Harlequin from the 60's.  Sorry to all who love her, and as crackfanfic, I get it: I have fav'd stuff that's so-crackity-bad-it's-good, too. Whatever turns your Ward on.

But .... People actually buying her books?  I can't ..... even ....  ??? ... it's too .... flails. Shake-weights have more credibility and usefulness.... and are way more sexier.


I want to say: keep in mind a big chunk of those 'positive reviews' are often made by the author and their friends using 'socks' and the anon 'guest' review. It's so common now, and it explains why some awful stories get more attention: 'real' people see all the high-five reviews and jump on the band wagon. re: Kardashians.

One author I can recall seemed to spend more time writing her own 'you are so awesome' reviews, than writing her story. I don't even know....
 
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Re: Flounced Fics
« Reply #965 on: October 21, 2014, 07:29 PM »
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Silverblossom Jordan received way too much attention for a semi-literate hack . She thrives off drama more than pride in her work. I couldn't even get past chapter one. I flicked ahead and my mind boggles at how infantile it reads. Like a dumbed-down Harlequin from the 60's.  Sorry to all who love her, and as crackfanfic, I get it: I have fav'd stuff that's so-crackity-bad-it's-good, too. Whatever turns your Ward on.

But .... People actually buying her books?  I can't ..... even ....  ??? ... it's too .... flails. Shake-weights have more credibility and usefulness.... and are way more sexier.


I want to say: keep in mind a big chunk of those 'positive reviews' are often made by the author and their friends using 'socks' and the anon 'guest' review. It's so common now, and it explains why some awful stories get more attention: 'real' people see all the high-five reviews and jump on the band wagon. re: Kardashians.

One author I can recall seemed to spend more time writing her own 'you are so awesome' reviews, than writing her story. I don't even know....

I tried to read her once or twice, and I agree, WAAAY OTT, not something I really cared to read. Plus, I don't think she edits nearly well enough to expect people to spend money for.
 
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Re: Flounced Fics
« Reply #966 on: October 21, 2014, 07:40 PM »
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Silverblossom Jordan received way too much attention for a semi-literate hack . She thrives off drama more than pride in her work. I couldn't even get past chapter one. I flicked ahead and my mind boggles at how infantile it reads. Like a dumbed-down Harlequin from the 60's.  Sorry to all who love her, and as crackfanfic, I get it: I have fav'd stuff that's so-crackity-bad-it's-good, too. Whatever turns your Ward on.

But .... People actually buying her books?  I can't ..... even ....  ??? ... it's too .... flails. Shake-weights have more credibility and usefulness.... and are way more sexier.


I want to say: keep in mind a big chunk of those 'positive reviews' are often made by the author and their friends using 'socks' and the anon 'guest' review. It's so common now, and it explains why some awful stories get more attention: 'real' people see all the high-five reviews and jump on the band wagon. re: Kardashians.

One author I can recall seemed to spend more time writing her own 'you are so awesome' reviews, than writing her story. I don't even know....
Well, that is bad.  Silver does write decent lemons.  Which is all it takes a lot of the time to get decent reviews on FFnet. I've read a story of hers or two. They are a little juvenile, but decent stories.  Her writing isn't good enough to publish though.  There's a lot of writers out there that have good ideas for a story and with a little help? They might be publishable. But they really need a good editor and not another fanfic writer who is just as bad.  Sometimes that is half the problem.   ;D
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Re: Flounced Fics (Twilight fanfiction)
« Reply #967 on: October 21, 2014, 08:05 PM »
What do you mean by "socks"?
 
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Re: Flounced Fics (Twilight fanfiction)
« Reply #968 on: October 21, 2014, 08:31 PM »
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What do you mean by "socks"?

Made up accounts to create positive reviews for your books.
 
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Re: Flounced Fics (Twilight fanfiction)
« Reply #969 on: October 21, 2014, 08:43 PM »
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Made up accounts to create positive reviews for your books.

Oh!

Folks are strange.

Thank you!

 
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Re: Flounced Fics (Twilight fanfiction)
« Reply #970 on: October 22, 2014, 03:24 PM »
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What do you mean by "socks"?

It's short for 'sock puppets'.  It's really common, and found through out the different fandoms. So, if you are astonished that someone is getting so many raving reviews, there maybe sock-fapping-breath reasons behind it.  Some betas provide it as part of their 'sought-after' services.
 
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« Reply #971 on: October 22, 2014, 04:20 PM »
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Well, that is bad.  Silver does write decent lemons.  Which is all it takes a lot of the time to get decent reviews on FFnet. I've read a story of hers or two. They are a little juvenile, but decent stories.  Her writing isn't good enough to publish though.  There's a lot of writers out there that have good ideas for a story and with a little help? They might be publishable. But they really need a good editor and not another fanfic writer who is just as bad.  Sometimes that is half the problem.   ;D

True dat! 

Some writers have great execution, but a boring plot/characters. Some have exciting stuff, but it's a rank gym-bag of problems. I know I don't volunteer my time if there isn't some effort into improving.

I remember when TeamBella23 started writing waaaay back in the day: it was 'exciting', but a hot mess. She stuck it out, and her writing has continued to improve with each story, and you can tell she's put effort into learning and improving.  She continues to write original stories, but now they are better executed.

The last silverblossom story looked pretty much like the first one: same sort of 'beginner gaffe' mistakes. I know she has a lot of fanfic readers, so she has some storytelling skills, but it's hard to know when it's buried under all that SPaG dirty laundry.

Did you read any of silverblossom's self-pub'd books? Did she at least get her SPaG sent out and dry-cleaned by a beta? She gave some dramatic displays of thin-skin, so I know I wouldn't want to work with her.  If she's too contentious (or just plain rude), a 'free' beta will return the proof-read stuff in a 'walk of shame' format. :P

I would say to any emerging writer, make the effort learn the basics (SPaG, what is a cliche, etc.) and get a beta to proof it for stuff you missed, not stuff you don't even have the slightest clue, because how will you know if it's 'corrected'?. Then, get a second beta to help you develop the 'craft' of writing (i.e. pacing, continuity, characterization and plot development). 

Emergent writers are usually afraid their story is going to get 'changed' by a beta, and it's because they feel insecure about what advice to take, or ignore.  They should know a fanfic beta can't force you to change your ideas, and the writer always has last say on what goes up on fanfic or self-pub'd. 
 
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« Reply #972 on: October 22, 2014, 05:39 PM »
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True dat! 

Some writers have great execution, but a boring plot/characters. Some have exciting stuff, but it's a rank gym-bag of problems. I know I don't volunteer my time if there isn't some effort into improving.

I remember when TeamBella23 started writing waaaay back in the day: it was 'exciting', but a hot mess. She stuck it out, and her writing has continued to improve with each story, and you can tell she's put effort into learning and improving.  She continues to write original stories, but now they are better executed.

The last silverblossom story looked pretty much like the first one: same sort of 'beginner gaffe' mistakes. I know she has a lot of fanfic readers, so she has some storytelling skills, but it's hard to know when it's buried under all that SPaG dirty laundry.

Did you read any of silverblossom's self-pub'd books? Did she at least get her SPaG sent out and dry-cleaned by a beta? She gave some dramatic displays of thin-skin, so I know I wouldn't want to work with her.  If she's too contentious (or just plain rude), a 'free' beta will return the proof-read stuff in a 'walk of shame' format. :P

I would say to any emerging writer, make the effort learn the basics (SPaG, what is a cliche, etc.) and get a beta to proof it for stuff you missed, not stuff you don't even have the slightest clue, because how will you know if it's 'corrected'?. Then, get a second beta to help you develop the 'craft' of writing (i.e. pacing, continuity, characterization and plot development). 

Emergent writers are usually afraid their story is going to get 'changed' by a beta, and it's because they feel insecure about what advice to take, or ignore.  They should know a fanfic beta can't force you to change your ideas, and the writer always has last say on what goes up on fanfic or self-pub'd.
I've only read a couple of her fanfics, so I don't know if they improved upon publication.  I tend to doubt it.  I'm not paying for her stories because mostly they aren't my style.  Too many fake BDSM sex scenes.  I don't mind some kinky stuff, but you have to have a story to go with it.  So not paying for stuff I won't read for free.   :P

I've been beta-ing for a year or so.  I've been lucky, they all appreciate my help.  I mostly make suggestions and clean up the grammar and spelling.  One I've been helping always asks for suggestions to improve.  I have learned over the years to nicely give constructive criticism, which may help.  Though I know when I've done it a couple times in reviews I get mixed reactions.  Though most have been good.  I did stop reading a couple when the PM's from them told me I didn't know what I was talking about.

Yeah, mostly A's in English.  Probably know a bit more than they do.....

And? I will say it every time - You cannot edit your own work.  You don't see the errors because you will see what you thought you wrote.  This goes for everyone.  It is impossible.  I write reports at work and do all the normal proof reading things - print it out, read it backwards, etc...  And still others will find an error I missed. Granted there are very few ;)  But still they are there.... :P
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« Reply #973 on: October 23, 2014, 12:59 PM »
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Did you read any of silverblossom's self-pub'd books? Did she at least get her SPaG sent out and dry-cleaned by a beta? She gave some dramatic displays of thin-skin, so I know I wouldn't want to work with her.  If she's too contentious (or just plain rude), a 'free' beta will return the proof-read stuff in a 'walk of shame' format. :P

I've read most of her published books because I was just as curious as you are. And no, no editing happened. She didn't even catch all names to change them out. When you exchange Bella for whatever, the program won't catch Bells  ;) Although she made Bella at least 18 in most books, I think in the fics she was 16...

I've read most of her fanfics before, because I actually thought they were crackfics. They were so trainwrecky, I got a good laugh out of it. Until I realized that other readers actually took her seriously  :o and liked her stories! WTF? Assholewards that take sex as punishment, don't think twice about beating Bella up and rape her when she has had innocent online contact to some other man?  :-\ >:(


I beta OF (I beta the plot, not the SpaGs, only when they are too obvious) and I'm always amazed how much work and effort writers of Original Fiction put into their books. several drafts, rewrites, more rewrites, cutting and rewrites... you get it. I love that I can be blunt when I don't like the plot, discover inconsistencies or things that are just impossible. Sometimes when I tried that in a fanfic-review, I got not so nice responses.  :P So, I rarely review anymore...
 
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« Reply #974 on: October 23, 2014, 01:03 PM »
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I've read most of her published books because I was just as curious as you are. And no, no editing happened. She didn't even catch all names to change them out. When you exchange Bella for whatever, the program won't catch Bells  ;) Although she made Bella at least 18 in most books, I think in the fics she was 16...

I've read most of her fanfics before, because I actually thought they were crackfics. They were so trainwrecky, I got a good laugh out of it. Until I realized that other readers actually took her seriously  :o and liked her stories! WTF? Assholewards that take sex as punishment, don't think twice about beating Bella up and rape her when she has had innocent online contact to some other man?  :-\ >:(


I beta OF (I beta the plot, not the SpaGs, only when they are too obvious) and I'm always amazed how much work and effort writers of Original Fiction put into their books. several drafts, rewrites, more rewrites, cutting and rewrites... you get it. I love that I can be blunt when I don't like the plot, discover inconsistencies or things that are just impossible. Sometimes when I tried that in a fanfic-review, I got not so nice responses.  :P So, I rarely review anymore...

Thank you! The few times I tried to read her stuff, either fic or the pubbed stuff, I was just all wonky with the WTFery.  It DOES feel like crackfic, and it's unbelievable how people eat her shit up with a spoon. Rape and abuse as sexy, wtf? I'm all for a take charge male, but her guys are just waaay to OTT out of control.

Then the missed name changes just makes it all that much worse. I don't think she tries to edit at ALL, just runs it through a search and replace program, and as you said, misses a bunch of things like Bells.

ETA: obvs no offense meant to anyone who DOES like this sort of thing in fics/books, we all like what we like! 8) :o
 
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Re: Flounced Fics
« Reply #975 on: October 23, 2014, 01:54 PM »
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I've read most of her published books because I was just as curious as you are. And no, no editing happened. She didn't even catch all names to change them out. When you exchange Bella for whatever, the program won't catch Bells  ;) Although she made Bella at least 18 in most books, I think in the fics she was 16...

I've read most of her fanfics before, because I actually thought they were crackfics. They were so trainwrecky, I got a good laugh out of it. Until I realized that other readers actually took her seriously  :o and liked her stories! WTF? Assholewards that take sex as punishment, don't think twice about beating Bella up and rape her when she has had innocent online contact to some other man?  :-\ >:(


I beta OF (I beta the plot, not the SpaGs, only when they are too obvious) and I'm always amazed how much work and effort writers of Original Fiction put into their books. several drafts, rewrites, more rewrites, cutting and rewrites... you get it. I love that I can be blunt when I don't like the plot, discover inconsistencies or things that are just impossible. Sometimes when I tried that in a fanfic-review, I got not so nice responses.  :P So, I rarely review anymore...
They do read like crackfic don't they? LOL! I don't get liking this type of story.  I get a dominant Edward. But non-consensual abuse? I lose all interest in the characters.  And she stays with him? Edward is supposed to rescue her from the abuser, not be the abuser.  I kind of wonder if she doesn't actually like Edward. 

I think that would be a great job to edit books.  And, as you pointed out? Real books are edited to death.  Those self-published things? Barely edited at all.  I notice it in the reviews, all the comments about misspellings and grammar issues. Some of them might make some actual money if they edited their books better.
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Re: Flounced Fics (Twilight fanfiction)
« Reply #976 on: November 01, 2014, 06:50 AM »
Just flounced this Fic - badly written, misused words and I can't figure out if it is a child trying to write as an adult or just out and out poor writing.  Very little story flow, plot or background - very immature.

Examples:

Every time she has someone laugh, (which is often) she writes hahahaha as part of the dialogue.

Characters jumps IN their motorcycle and jump ON their car - once is a typo, every time is stupidity.


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Bella just graduated from nursing school, she decides to live with her dad in Charming. Edward is the VP of an MC called Cullen's Son. After they meet & their world's will never be the same, can they find love in each other? or will their relationship will crash & burn? HEA.
Twilight - Rated: M - English - Romance/Crime - Chapters: 40 - Words: 73,714 - Reviews: 168 - Favs: 62 - Follows: 100 - Updated: Oct 31 - Published: Aug 22 - Complete

Skip it!
 
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Re: Flounced Fics (Twilight fanfiction)
« Reply #977 on: November 01, 2014, 07:28 AM »
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Just flounced this Fic - badly written, misused words and I can't figure out if it is a child trying to write as an adult or just out and out poor writing.  Very little story flow, plot or background - very immature.

Examples:

Every time she has someone laugh, (which is often) she writes hahahaha as part of the dialogue.

Characters jumps IN their motorcycle and jump ON their car - once is a typo, every time is stupidity.


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Bella just graduated from nursing school, she decides to live with her dad in Charming. Edward is the VP of an MC called Cullen's Son. After they meet & their world's will never be the same, can they find love in each other? or will their relationship will crash & burn? HEA.
Twilight - Rated: M - English - Romance/Crime - Chapters: 40 - Words: 73,714 - Reviews: 168 - Favs: 62 - Follows: 100 - Updated: Oct 31 - Published: Aug 22 - Complete

Skip it!

Yeah, sometimes, the way something is written, just *screams* teeny bopper.

Which isn't always a bad thing. They are reading, writing, practicing ... stretching that imagination.

But it does make it difficult to read. It can be very annoying.

I recently flounced a fic. Normally, I just quietly go away, but this one? I had to make mention about her author note chapter updates. That's so aggravating.

Stuck in Volterra By Onwind

I figured the writer was young. Well, younger than me. That was okay. It's a Caius/Bella and I thought I'd give it shot.

I even went with the characterizations, initially thinking she was leaning toward a sort of crack fic.

No.

The premise is Edward and Bella are together. The big bad of the story is the newborns are coming!

The only place the Cullens can think to hide Bella where she would be safe is in Volterra.

I mean, okay. I could actually see that. It sort of makes sense.

Where it starts getting odd is Edward threatens the kings saying if anything happens to Bella, there's going to be trouble.

Like, so what? I never did get why the Volturi would even give one little shit about what Edward thought.

So Bella's in the castle while the Cullens are *handling* the newborns back in Washington.

The Volturi don't use phones or modern technology. They write letters and such with quills and ink on parchment. Not just special things—everything.

To Caius, everything is "revolting". Which is kind of funny.

The only "entertainment" appears to be the kings playing chess with each other and some of the guard.

Bella introduces Aro to Mario-something on Gameboy. He becomes obsessed with it. (Semi-cute)

Caius' marriage to Athenodora is one of convenience. He doesn't like her. (That's okay)

He ends up killing her because she's threatening Bella. (Even that's okay.)

Then there were two or three author note chapters in a row.  >:(

There was a Fall Festival/Carnival in the spring.

There were two Saint Marcus Days.

huh?

Then Caius and Bella decide they like each other and Caius turns into Edward. He can't doom her to this evil existence.

So I left.

 
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Re: Flounced Fics (Twilight fanfiction)
« Reply #978 on: December 16, 2014, 01:15 PM »
Breaking Twilight by Sparkling Twilight

I've flounced it for a few reasons. The biggest reason, I suppose, is that it has repeating points of view, first Bella's [point of view of that day or other period of time and then Edward's.  I can see that being beneficial to a small degree, but for every chapter, it's just tedious.  There's also the issue that it uses sign language in the fic and the author,  in my opinion could use a better way to set that off as opposed to when they are communicating verbally.  Lastly, there's the little things: spelling, grammar, pacing, etc... An example of why I flounced is that one of things that occurs often in the story is that they pass notes in class.  Each note is decently long and there's just no way you can write such a lengthy note without someone noticing.
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Re: Flounced Fics (Twilight fanfiction)
« Reply #979 on: December 22, 2014, 01:30 AM »
I can see that.  There are several authors that I question as to how or why they are so popular in the fandom.  In a few select cases I understand why, but there are some that confuse me. I will admit, however, that I am relatively new to fan fiction and I will readily admit that reading a work in progress is very different than reading a complete story.  I'll offer two more examples that I didn't quite flounce, but I've found very difficult to get through

Comp Sem 101 by bornonhalloween.  This author has stated that one chapter is approximately a week in her fictional universe.  The way the story is paced, I see the method working for earlier chapters when there are heavier issues that need to be hashed out.  But later? I find the plot just dragging.

Another story that seems to be immensely popular is The Cullen Legacy by Patty Rose. Earlier in the story, she uses the "one chapter set in the present time and then the next in the past" format. To me it makes the story verbose and adds a large amount of unnecessarily text that could be better handled in flashbacks that are strategically placed.  I mention this one because it's a story that people tend to place in their top 10 fics of all time, if not top 15.  It's well written, but I'm not sure I understand the appeal. I made it though the story, but I skipped most of the past chapters.  All in all I must have skipped at least 15 chapters out of the 40 or so that comprised the whole story.
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Re: Flounced Fics (Twilight fanfiction)
« Reply #980 on: December 22, 2014, 03:04 AM »
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I can see that.  There are several authors that I question as to how or why they are so popular i nthe fandom.  I na few select cases I understand why, but there are some that confuse me. I will admit however that I am relatively new to fan fiction and I will readily admit that reading a work in progress is very different than reading a complete story.  I'll offer two more examples that I didn't quite flounce, but I've found very difficult to get through

Comp Sem 101 by bornonhalloween.  This author has started that one chapter is approximately a week in her fictional universe.  The way the story is paced, I see the method working for earlier chapters when there are heavier issues that need to be hashed out.  But later? I find the plot just dragging.

Another story that seems to be immensely popular is The Cullen Legacy by Patty Rose. Earlier in the story, she uses the "one chapter set in the present time and then the next in the past" format. To me it makes the story verbose and adds a large amount of unnecessarily text that could be better handled in flashbacks that are strategically placed.  I mention this one because it's' a story that people tend to place in their top 10 fics of all time, if not top 15.  It's well written, but I'm not sure I understand the appeal. I made it though the story, but I skipped most of the past chapters.  All in all I must have skipped at least 15 chapters out of the 40 or so that comprised the whole story.

I had the same problems with The Cullen Legacy. I think it was different if you read it as a WIP though. But as a complete fic I was bored after half of the story. I actually didn't even read it completely.
 
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