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Thread #6 - We are crazy talkers here! Join in the fun!

ADULT DISCUSSION HERE, SO TRY TO KEEP IT CLEAN! UM NO, WAIT! IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED, LOOK AWAY NOW! 

This is the new thread as the other was sooo long and had lots of pages. Continuation of our wonderful discussions on Twilight Fanfiction, Books, and Life in general.  But mostly Twilight fanfics... and life stuff that will get me a NOT ALLOWED statement. 

Okay, here is a place to discuss what you are reading, ask for recommendations and complain about the writing.

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Her published name is Maria Delaurentis.  I think she's one of those authors who uses fanfic to get some feedback on her plot bunnies before she pulls to publish.
I don't like this practice. Join a writing group, or ask your friends, don't make your story Twific (or whatever fandom) just to get the free editing and ideas.
 

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I don't like this practice. Join a writing group, or ask your friends, don't make your story Twific (or whatever fandom) just to get the free editing and ideas.

I don't like it either, I understand the writers' motives, but it doesn't stop me from feeling used.  I am more likely to read an author's original work, but not a pulled Fic.  Actually, I don't read published fanfics.
 
 

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I don't like this practice. Join a writing group, or ask your friends, don't make your story Twific (or whatever fandom) just to get the free editing and ideas.
I don't have a problem with using fanfic to practice your writing and don't even mind those who pull to publish.  What I have a BIG problem with is the pulling an incomplete story and expecting all those readers to pay if they want to read the ending. You pay for the help by providing a complete story to those who helped with their reviews. 

A little notice before you pull is nice too.   ;)
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I don't plan on reading it.

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Yes, but she posted this as her last chapter:
"My sweet and ready-to-kill-me readers.
I'm so sorry about the lack of update here...
The reason I haven't put up the next chapter is- this story was picked for publishing!
(Probably not what you wanted to hear)
I'm so excited about the response I've had to this story and all of the feedback. you guys are great!
Until I have a thumbs up from my publisher that it's okay to keep posting chapters.. the story stops here.
The first book ends here and is going to go live in the next few weeks. The story is being turned into a three book mini series (:
Thank you SO much for reading this far AND
If anyone is interested in being the beta for the rest of the story LET ME KNOW!"

So, yeah, it will probably be pulled unfinished.  It has only 19K words, so it is a novella sized story.  And they are going to turn it into a trilogy.  Another pet peeve.  "I'll give you the first 55 page book free, but it ends on a cliff-hanger and you have to pay $3.99 each for the next 3 short parts to this story.....

My husband loves Scifi books and he has been complaining about this.  $.99 per book, but they are little more than a long chapter in length and by the time you buy all 20 of them, you could have bought a hardback book buy a actually good author. 

I should stop complaining about this.  But lately even the published authors are getting bad.  The books cost more, and yet they are shorter than ever.  I have an old Tom Clancy story that is over 1,000 pages. I'm lucky if the books hit 300  or even 250 now. (yes MaryJanice Davidson and Janet Evanovich I'm talking about you!) I guess I feel cheated out of a good story.  Intro and Boom! it is over!  >:( >:( >:( >:(

Okay *steps off soapbox*

Thanks for listening.   :-* :-* :-*

Of course, if you want to read the end of My Secret's story, you can volunteer to beta it for FREE!

I think my husband is right I am very grumpy today.  :shut_up: :violent-smiley-007: :engel016: :engel016: :engel016: :engel016: :NeenerNeener:
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She didn't pull yet, but she didn't finish either.  The Fic is marked complete, but the last "chapter" is just an AN about publishing the story and that it won't be completed.   The last true update (I skimmed it out of curiosity), ended on a cliffhanger so for anyone who was reading - she essentially spit in their face.
 

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All of her stories have a commenced date of 6-7 months ago or less, with On the run being the oldest and it's already been published as the first book of a series.  That's what makes me think she just signed up as a fanfic author to run plot bunnies by some folks or drum up some enthusiasm for her published work.  I guess there's nothing wrong with that, as long as you're honest about it. 
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Yes, but she posted this as her last chapter:
"My sweet and ready-to-kill-me readers.
I'm so sorry about the lack of update here...
The reason I haven't put up the next chapter is- this story was picked for publishing!
(Probably not what you wanted to hear)
I'm so excited about the response I've had to this story and all of the feedback. you guys are great!
Until I have a thumbs up from my publisher that it's okay to keep posting chapters.. the story stops here.
The first book ends here and is going to go live in the next few weeks. The story is being turned into a three book mini series (:
Thank you SO much for reading this far AND
If anyone is interested in being the beta for the rest of the story LET ME KNOW!"

So, yeah, it will probably be pulled unfinished.  It has only 19K words, so it is a novella sized story.  And they are going to turn it into a trilogy.  Another pet peeve.  "I'll give you the first 55 page book free, but it ends on a cliff-hanger and you have to pay $3.99 each for the next 3 short parts to this story.....

My husband loves Scifi books and he has been complaining about this.  $.99 per book, but they are little more than a long chapter in length and by the time you buy all 20 of them, you could have bought a hardback book buy a actually good author. 

I should stop complaining about this.  But lately even the published authors are getting bad.  The books cost more, and yet they are shorter than ever.  I have an old Tom Clancy story that is over 1,000 pages. I'm lucky if the books hit 300  or even 250 now. (yes MaryJanice Davidson and Janet Evanovich I'm talking about you!) I guess I feel cheated out of a good story.  Intro and Boom! it is over!  >:( >:( >:( >:(

Okay *steps off soapbox*

Thanks for listening.   :-* :-* :-*

Of course, if you want to read the end of My Secret's story, you can volunteer to beta it for FREE!

I think my husband is right I am very grumpy today.  :shut_up: :violent-smiley-007: :engel016: :engel016: :engel016: :engel016: :NeenerNeener:


Oh no I get your rant.  I see authors angry that their books are being pirated but come one they charge way to much.  They way I see it and ebook is just the same as paper back but what it comes down to is money.

They dont make more from an ebook than a paperback.  They figure they have loyal readers why not charge more they will pay for it.

Now jaxon22 is doing the same thing and lying saying things beyond her control bullshit they only make you pull the fic not your author profile.  She is gearing up to publish either dancing in the dark or her other fics. 
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Oh no I get your rant.  I see authors angry that their books are being pirated but come one they charge way to much.  They way I see it and ebook is just the same as paper back but what it comes down to is money.

They dont make more from an ebook than a paperback.  They figure they have loyal readers why not charge more they will pay for it.

Now jaxon22 is doing the same thing and lying saying things beyond her control bullshit they only make you pull the fic not your author profile.  She is gearing up to publish either dancing in the dark or her other fics.
It wouldn't surprise me. 
Though she has 2 incomplete. 

Actually, I was told the author's get a little more on the ebooks.  No paper and all.  But ebooks should be cheaper.  No paper, no printing costs and no shipping costs.  The set up costs are done once.  And maybe they don't sell as many ebooks.  But most of these stories don't get printed much anymore.
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Yes, but she posted this as her last chapter:
"My sweet and ready-to-kill-me readers.
I'm so sorry about the lack of update here...
The reason I haven't put up the next chapter is- this story was picked for publishing!
(Probably not what you wanted to hear)
I'm so excited about the response I've had to this story and all of the feedback. you guys are great!
Until I have a thumbs up from my publisher that it's okay to keep posting chapters.. the story stops here.
The first book ends here and is going to go live in the next few weeks. The story is being turned into a three book mini series (:
Thank you SO much for reading this far AND
If anyone is interested in being the beta for the rest of the story LET ME KNOW!"

So, yeah, it will probably be pulled unfinished.  It has only 19K words, so it is a novella sized story.  And they are going to turn it into a trilogy.  Another pet peeve.  "I'll give you the first 55 page book free, but it ends on a cliff-hanger and you have to pay $3.99 each for the next 3 short parts to this story.....

My husband loves Scifi books and he has been complaining about this.  $.99 per book, but they are little more than a long chapter in length and by the time you buy all 20 of them, you could have bought a hardback book buy a actually good author. 

I should stop complaining about this.  But lately even the published authors are getting bad.  The books cost more, and yet they are shorter than ever.  I have an old Tom Clancy story that is over 1,000 pages. I'm lucky if the books hit 300  or even 250 now. (yes MaryJanice Davidson and Janet Evanovich I'm talking about you!) I guess I feel cheated out of a good story.  Intro and Boom! it is over!  >:( >:( >:( >:(

Okay *steps off soapbox*

Thanks for listening.   :-* :-* :-*

Of course, if you want to read the end of My Secret's story, you can volunteer to beta it for FREE!

I think my husband is right I am very grumpy today.  :shut_up: :violent-smiley-007: :engel016: :engel016: :engel016: :engel016: :NeenerNeener:

I can't believe some of the stuff that gets published.
There are better fanfic out there.
 
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My husband loves Scifi books and he has been complaining about this.  $.99 per book, but they are little more than a long chapter in length and by the time you buy all 20 of them, you could have bought a hardback book buy a actually good author. 

I should stop complaining about this.  But lately even the published authors are getting bad.  The books cost more, and yet they are shorter than ever.  I have an old Tom Clancy story that is over 1,000 pages. I'm lucky if the books hit 300  or even 250 now. (yes MaryJanice Davidson and Janet Evanovich I'm talking about you!) I guess I feel cheated out of a good story.  Intro and Boom! it is over!  >:( >:( >:( >:(

Okay *steps off soapbox*

Thanks for listening.   :-* :-* :-*

Of course, if you want to read the end of My Secret's story, you can volunteer to beta it for FREE!

I think my husband is right I am very grumpy today.  :shut_up: :violent-smiley-007: :engel016: :engel016: :engel016: :engel016: :NeenerNeener:


I am standing on that soapbox with you on this Ella. I don't get where this tread came from? To split 600 pages into 3 and call it a trilogy! Books, when they were printed primarily on paper, used to be 500-600 pages each as standard, and a long book was 1000.

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Her published name is Maria Delaurentis.  I think she's one of those authors who uses fanfic to get some feedback on her plot bunnies before she pulls to publish. 
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I don't have a problem with using fanfic to practice your writing and don't even mind those who pull to publish.  What I have a BIG problem with is the pulling an incomplete story and expecting all those readers to pay if they want to read the ending. You pay for the help by providing a complete story to those who helped with their reviews. 

A little notice before you pull is nice too.   ;)

I kinda mind because if its true then it's a very cynical and exploitative method of working. Most of the readers of fanfics do so with a passion; they're passionate about the original story, the characters and the Fandom they participate in, for someone who isn't interested in any of that to come along and ingrain themselves with these readers, have them read and review and get involved in a story just for the author's own singular purpose is just plain....selfish and...nasty! Especially if these readers then never see the end result of their involvement/encouragement in the form of a free completed FF story.  >:(  I refuse to read P2P that haven't complete on FF first, that get yanked 2 chapters before completion in an arsehole move to get readers to pay to see how it ends...I say  'f*ck you and the publisher horse you rode out on'... :violent-smiley-007: 



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I am standing on that soapbox with you on this Ella. I don't get where this tread came from? To split 600 pages into 3 and call it a trilogy! Books, when they were printed primarily on paper, used to be 500-600 pages each as standard, and a long book was 1000.

I kinda mind because if its true then it's a very cynical and exploitative method of working. Most of the readers of fanfics do so with a passion; they're passionate about the original story, the characters and the Fandom they participate in, for someone who isn't interested in any of that to come along and ingrain themselves with these readers, have them read and review and get involved in a story just for the author's own singular purpose is just plain....selfish and...nasty! Especially if these readers then never see the end result of their involvement/encouragement in the form of a free completed FF story.  >:(  I refuse to read P2P that haven't complete on FF first, that get yanked 2 chapters before completion in an arsehole move to get readers to pay to see how it ends...I say  'f*ck you and the publisher horse you rode out on'... :violent-smiley-007:

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I am standing on that soapbox with you on this Ella. I don't get where this tread came from? To split 600 pages into 3 and call it a trilogy! Books, when they were printed primarily on paper, used to be 500-600 pages each as standard, and a long book was 1000.

I kinda mind because if its true then it's a very cynical and exploitative method of working. Most of the readers of fanfics do so with a passion; they're passionate about the original story, the characters and the Fandom they participate in, for someone who isn't interested in any of that to come along and ingrain themselves with these readers, have them read and review and get involved in a story just for the author's own singular purpose is just plain....selfish and...nasty! Especially if these readers then never see the end result of their involvement/encouragement in the form of a free completed FF story.  >:(  I refuse to read P2P that haven't complete on FF first, that get yanked 2 chapters before completion in an arsehole move to get readers to pay to see how it ends...I say  'f*ck you and the publisher horse you rode out on'... :violent-smiley-007:
I think some of these writers don't realize the only reason we read the stories is because they have Bella and Edward. I don't want to read about Chris and Ana. I love a guy named Edward with crazy bronze colored sex hair and green, topaz, black, or sometimes red eyes.  And you have to change a lot of that or deal with copyright issues.  So it's not the same.  And I don't read them.   :P
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I think some of these writers don't realize the only reason we read the stories is because they have Bella and Edward. I don't want to read about Chris and Ana. I love a guy named Edward with crazy bronze colored sex hair and green, topaz, black, or sometimes red eyes.  And you have to change a lot of that or deal with copyright issues.  So it's not the same.  And I don't read them.   
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I kinda mind because if its true then it's a very cynical and exploitative method of working. Most of the readers of fanfics do so with a passion; they're passionate about the original story, the characters and the Fandom they participate in, for someone who isn't interested in any of that to come along and ingrain themselves with these readers, have them read and review and get involved in a story just for the author's own singular purpose is just plain....selfish and...nasty! Especially if these readers then never see the end result of their involvement/encouragement in the form of a free completed FF story.  >:(  I refuse to read P2P that haven't complete on FF first, that get yanked 2 chapters before completion in an arsehole move to get readers to pay to see how it ends...I say  'f*ck you and the publisher horse you rode out on'... :violent-smiley-007:

This x 6.022 x 10^23

For what it's worth, I've thought about the whole pulled to publish thing and I'm conflicted.  On the one hand, I can see why people would do it, but with respect to my own things, I've thought about some of my ideas and as weak as they are, it just doesn't feel right not being an Edward and Bella story.  And yes, taking advantage of the fandom is a big NOPE in my book.  I will admit I have original fiction ideas that may have started as a brainstorm from fic, but they if ever published will never be twific. By the way, I realize a lot of people like reading non canon, but I'm pretty much team Edward and Bella all the way hence when I say Twilight Edward and Bella are who my brain gravitates toward.
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I am standing on that soapbox with you on this Ella. I don't get where this tread came from? To split 600 pages into 3 and call it a trilogy! Books, when they were printed primarily on paper, used to be 500-600 pages each as standard, and a long book was 1000.

I kinda mind because if its true then it's a very cynical and exploitative method of working. Most of the readers of fanfics do so with a passion; they're passionate about the original story, the characters and the Fandom they participate in, for someone who isn't interested in any of that to come along and ingrain themselves with these readers, have them read and review and get involved in a story just for the author's own singular purpose is just plain....selfish and...nasty! Especially if these readers then never see the end result of their involvement/encouragement in the form of a free completed FF story.  >:(  I refuse to read P2P that haven't complete on FF first, that get yanked 2 chapters before completion in an arsehole move to get readers to pay to see how it ends...I say  'f*ck you and the publisher horse you rode out on'... :violent-smiley-007:


Well said...couldn't agree more.
 
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Her published name is Maria Delaurentis.  I think she's one of those authors who uses fanfic to get some feedback on her plot bunnies before she pulls to publish.

I just realised that I've bought both books that she's publised but I don't feel too bad about it as they were both on KU, so if I don't ever get to read them it doesn't matter too much.  ^-^ ;D

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I think some of these writers don't realize the only reason we read the stories is because they have Bella and Edward. I don't want to read about Chris and Ana. I love a guy named Edward with crazy bronze colored sex hair and green, topaz, black, or sometimes red eyes.  And you have to change a lot of that or deal with copyright issues.  So it's not the same.  And I don't read them.   :P

God Ella, you're an eternal sweetheart  :-*  I love ya!  :D :D :D Of. Course. They. Realise! That why they use a fandom, they realise how invested the readers are in these characters so they will always respond (negatively or positively), encourage, suggest and participate (its like a free focus group).

I'm honestly all for P2P, if its done correctly, FSOG wasn't, (Chris and Ana are Edward and Bella; they share 99% of their characteristics) that was a straight up mugging IMO but I'd have been happy to buy it because she wasn't an arsehole about it, she completed it on FFN and then pulled with enough notice etc...(what's happened since then has really little to do with P2P and more to do with Icy ) I don't care if they change the hair or eyes etc I loved Dusty, Edward's eyes were blue, Bella's hair was strawberry blond. Once its pulled, in fact I prefer if they change their appearance, I'm reading it outside the Fandom so it fine. All I'm saying is I would just really appreciate it if FF authors (real or fake) had some respect for the readers that they're meant to be writing for and not treat them like chumps when its time to cash in on their participation; forewarn them..."hey folks I'm dusting off my plot bunny here to see if its any good before publishing, all suggestions welcomed." Everyone would know where they stood then; the reason they don't is because they're sneaks.  >:(

Oh God. Look at me ranting, OK I'll stop now....  :57:
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God Ella, you're an eternal sweetheart  :-*  I love ya!  :D :D :D Of. Course. They. Realise! That why they use a fandom, they realise how invested the readers are in these characters so they will always respond (negatively or positively), encourage, suggest and participate (its like a free focus group).

I'm honestly all for P2P, if its done correctly, FSOG wasn't, (Chris and Ana are Edward and Bella; they share 99% of their characteristics) that was a straight up mugging IMO but I'd have been happy to buy it because she wasn't an arsehole about it, she completed it on FFN and then pulled with enough notice etc...(what's happened since then has really little to do with P2P and more to do with Icy ) I don't care if they change the hair or eyes etc I loved Dusty, Edward's eyes were blue, Bella's hair was strawberry blond. Once its pulled, in fact I prefer if they change their appearance, I'm reading it outside the Fandom so it fine. All I'm saying is I would just really appreciate it if FF authors (real or fake) had some respect for the readers that they're meant to be writing for and not treat them like chumps when its time to cash in on their participation; forewarn them..."hey folks I'm dusting off my plot bunny here to see if its any good before publishing, all suggestions welcomed." Everyone would know where they stood then; the reason they don't is because they're sneaks.  >:(

Oh God. Look at me ranting, OK I'll stop now....  :57:
LOL!  Thanks.  :-*

I was just saying that when they pull to publish,  they have to change the eye color and hair color as well as the names. At that point, I am no longer interested in the story. I can't read half of EdwardsEternal'so stories because Bella has blue eyes and so does Edward half the time.  Then there is a football story by mybella that has Edward with black hair, black eyes and tanned skin. Bella is also black haired, black eyed and tanned. Totally Jake and Leah. I can't read it. At all.

Don't mess with my Edward and Bella! !!!  :D  :D  :D  :D

I tried to read FSOG. Couldn't do it.

But I agree with you. If you aren't a Twifan and are just looking to write in the demographic of twifics, you should let readers know.  I don't think Jaxon22 is one of those as she wrote for a long time without pulling to publish.
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LOL!  Thanks.  :-*

I was just saying that when they pull to publish,  they have to change the eye color and hair color as well as the names. At that point, I am no longer interested in the story. I can't read half of EdwardsEternal'so stories because Bella has blue eyes and so does Edward half the time.  Then there is a football story by mybella that has Edward with black hair, black eyes and tanned skin. Bella is also black haired, black eyed and tanned. Totally Jake and Leah. I can't read it. At all.

Don't mess with my Edward and Bella! !!!  :D  :D  :D  :D

I tried to read FSOG. Couldn't do it.

But I agree with you. If you aren't a Twifan and are just looking to write in the demographic of twifics, you should let readers know.  I don't think Jaxon22 is one of those as she wrote for a long time without pulling to publish.

Yeah I agree Hon,  I wouldn't corral Jaxon or KiyaRaven, or Kharizzmatik or a lot of the authors who P2P into that pigeon hole, it's the small % that behave badly and so leave a bitter taste in the mouth that lingers and blots the landscape for all the rest. And the real kick in the bollocks is they tend to be the least talented!
 

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