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Offline Elisaor

Together we will beat Covid_19
« on: March 20, 2020, 01:13 AM »

Hello everybody
First of all, sorry if there is a misspelling or grammar, English is not my first language.
Ok, let's begin.
I am going to put a video of an epidemiologist who has English subtitles. I think you can also subtitle in French. It is a video that I already posted but I think here is a good place to start.
Later I will be putting various information.
If anyone has any doubts, ask them, if I know I will answer them, as soon as I can.
I work at Emergencies 112 (911) so I don't have much time at home and when I do I am tired, but I will answer as soon as possible.
The solution for this virus is solidarity. Together we can beat him.
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Re: Together we will beat Covid_19
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2020, 07:00 PM »
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It's not one or the other. Poverty and extreme poverty in Latin America are being worsened by the lockdown. We wil have more deaths due to malnutrition, lack of access to healthcare, unsanitary conditions etc than the coronavirus itself. You have no idea how bad the economy is here right now. We were already in recession and going through a terrible crisis and this lockdown has made it much worse. People are losing their jobs left and right. Kids are not being fed. People do not have access to essentials. The only people that this lockdown will help is rich people who can afford to safely stay home. My family's business is going under as so many others. Who's going to pay our bills? Who's going to pay our employees' salaries? not the government, that's for sure. At work they already told us our next payment will come in mid May probably. Don't make assumptions just because in Europe some countries can afford the lockdown. Here we can't. We have almost 40% of people living in poverty. It will likely increase in the coming weeks. People are desperate because they cannot afford food.

It is the same in the Philippines, my home country. Poverty incidence here is extremely high. We are on lockdown for 1 month which started March 15 and will end on April 14. During the first few days, people are not following the quarantine measures because they need to work, in order to make money. Most people are on a no-work no-pay policy. While they understand the severity of the virus, they also have to think of their stomach, and those of their families. They believe that hunger will kill them first before the virus.

The local governments were caught unaware by the lockdown, but slowly, they have stepped up. And the call by the government upon private companies and individuals are slowly bearing fruit. The government, NGOs and private entities, working together, have been distibuting to the poor, food packs and basic essential items such as soaps and alcohol. Yes, it was chaos in the first few days, but we are getting there. The Philippines cannot afford a long drawn out battle with covid-19 precisely becasue we are a poor country. We lack test kits, face masks and other PPEs. Our doctors are dying due to Covid19 infection.There are 380 confirmed cases, 25 deaths or a 6.6% mortality. 12% of mortality are doctors, but there are only 0.12% doctors in our population. The 30-day lockdown is just the first step. If you are a poor country, you can't afford COVID, you must follow the lockdown. STAY HOME.

TOGETHER WE WILL BEAT COVID-19!

 
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Re: Together we will beat Covid_19
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2020, 07:36 PM »
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It is the same in the Philippines, my home country. Poverty incidence here is extremely high. We are on lockdown for 1 month which started March 15 and will end on April 14. During the first few days, people are not following the quarantine measures because they need to work, in order to make money. Most people are on a no-work no-pay policy. While they understand the severity of the virus, they also have to think of their stomach, and those of their families. They believe that hunger will kill them first before the virus.

The local governments were caught unaware by the lockdown, but slowly, they have stepped up. And the call by the government upon private companies and individuals are slowly bearing fruit. The government, NGOs and private entities, working together, have been distibuting to the poor, food packs and basic essential items such as soaps and alcohol. Yes, it was chaos in the first few days, but we are getting there. The Philippines cannot afford a long drawn out battle with covid-19 precisely becasue we are a poor country. We lack test kits, face masks and other PPEs. Our doctors are dying due to Covid19 infection.There are 380 confirmed cases, 25 deaths or a 6.6% mortality. 12% of mortality are doctors, but there are only 0.12% doctors in our population. The 30-day lockdown is just the first step. If you are a poor country, you can't afford COVID, you must follow the lockdown. STAY HOME.

TOGETHER WE WILL BEAT COVID-19!

For the most part, people are staying home. I'm staying at home and complying with it. But people won't if they extend the lockdown. We'll see what happens. And it's the same situation for about 50% fo workers as in the Philippines, no work, no pay. I am really worried about the aftermath of the lockdown. More unemployment, more crime, it will be a freaking mess. Supposedly, if the lockdown works, by March 28th the number of new cases will start decreasing and they will loosen the lockdown a bit to let people work.

I am worried about people's mental health as well. I have struggled with bulimia for years and this is a nightmare for me. I need my routine to have sanity. I also have students that live in (verbally and physically) abusive households. I'm extremely concerned for their well-being. I hope the lockdown ends soon. We had social distancing and no gatherings for a few days before the lockdown. Hopefully we can go back to that system soon.
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Re: Together we will beat Covid_19
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2020, 07:36 PM »
Here in the states banks need to get on board and help more.  They could freeze mortgages and add the time to the end of the mortgage.  This would allow people who are being put out of work due to this to use what little money they have for medicine, food, and essentials until they are back to work.
 
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Re: Together we will beat Covid_19
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2020, 07:40 PM »
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Here in the states banks need to get on board and help more.  They could freeze mortgages and add the time to the end of the mortgage.  This would allow people who are being put out of work due to this to use what little money they have for medicine, food, and essentials until they are back to work.

We are hoping for the same here. So far, they have "extended" due dates until the end of the lockdown. A freaking joke as there's no way to pay a bill before. Everything's closed and/or not working.

Supposedly tomorrow some measures will be announced to help independent workers, but I don't really have much faith in the current administration.
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Re: Together we will beat Covid_19
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2020, 06:02 PM »
Sorry to hear that, but I still believe Solidarity is the answer

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It's not one or the other. Poverty and extreme poverty in Latin America are being worsened by the lockdown. We wil have more deaths due to malnutrition, lack of access to healthcare, unsanitary conditions etc than the coronavirus itself. You have no idea how bad the economy is here right now. We were already in recession and going through a terrible crisis and this lockdown has made it much worse. People are losing their jobs left and right. Kids are not being fed. People do not have access to essentials. The only people that this lockdown will help is rich people who can afford to safely stay home. My family's business is going under as so many others. Who's going to pay our bills? Who's going to pay our employees' salaries? not the government, that's for sure. At work they already told us our next payment will come in mid May probably. Don't make assumptions just because in Europe some countries can afford the lockdown. Here we can't. We have almost 40% of people living in poverty. It will likely increase in the coming weeks. People are desperate because they cannot afford food.
 
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Re: Together we will beat Covid_19
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2020, 01:53 PM »
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Sorry to hear that, but I still believe Solidarity is the answer

It's easy to ask that of other people when you and your family get to eat every day and have a home with proper sanitation. People here are going to revolt if the lockdown continues, as they don't have access to food.
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Re: Together we will beat Covid_19
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2020, 12:00 AM »
Solidarity: unity or agreement of feeling or action, especially among individuals with a common interest; mutual support within a group.


I really believe in solidarity between all (the richest and the poorest). I'm not just talking about money. I am not rich. I am doing accounts every month. But if I can give my time, even some money or food or whatever to my neighbor or even to someone I don't know. It may be a phone call to someone who is alone. There are many things we can do and I am not talking about money. That is the answer for the Covid. And that Solidarity has to go between people, between governments, between companies ... Everyone, not only that it is between workers, it has to be between everyone. I respect and understand that my situation in Europe is easier. But we win this disease among all of us. That is what I mean by Solidarity. Of course, if there are people who, before the disease, already need help and it has not been given, it is a problem. But I continue to say that the solution is for the government to assume its responsibility and provide measures so that everyone comes out of the health and economic crisis.

If we don't fight Covid many people will die. There is not cure. The only answer now is to stay at home. Many people cannot be at home without working, we will die without food. So there is just one answer to survive, for everyone: Solidarity.


For example. Yesterday the President in Spain said that we will be 10 days without going to work unless they are essential jobs. Companies will continue to pay wages and workers will have to make up those hours throughout this year, before December 31. That's what I mean by Solidarity: we are all in the same boat, we all have to row.

Other government measures are to install beds and facilities for homeless and healthy people in sports halls and provide them with food, shelter and sanitation. Covid is a problem for everyone. Governments must assume their responsibility and put in place measures that help us all get out.

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It's easy to ask that of other people when you and your family get to eat every day and have a home with proper sanitation. People here are going to revolt if the lockdown continues, as they don't have access to food.
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Re: Together we will beat Covid_19
« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2020, 05:55 PM »
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Re: Together we will beat Covid_19
« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2021, 01:03 PM »
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Most countries lack the necessary amount of tests, so they choose who gets it. Quite arbitrarily, if I might add. Also, many people are asymptomatic so there's no way to accurately measure it. They estimate how many have it vs confirmed cases. We have less than 150 confirmed cases here in Argentina and the whole country has gone into a sort of lockdown. Only people who work in hospitals, pharmacies, restaurants (only delivery, not even take out), and supermarkets are allowed to be out. The rest of us have to stay home for 15 days. I'm a teacher and switching to online classes has been challenging. The kids are scared,anxious.
I´m not afraid of the virus itself, as most people would survive it. I'm more afraid of the economic impact it will have and the havoc it is wreaking on public health. No country is prepared for that many people gettting it at the same time.
How is the situation in Argentina?
 

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Re: Together we will beat Covid_19
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2021, 02:22 PM »
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How is the situation in Argentina?

55% of the population under the poverty line and soaring unemployment thanks to the long, strict lockdown. The government handled everything poorly. Hospitals did collapse in smaller towns as they stole funds and never did anything to improve conditions. I live in Buenos Aires, where about 40% of the population lives, so it was hit the hardest. Hospitals never collapsed here, but the lockdown did destroy the economy and we have 73% of youth living in poverty. almost 40% of the teens in public secondary schools dropped out. Most public schools did nothing, they messed up badly.

In terms of COVID, 5M cases, 117K deaths, about 70% vaccinated. But they chose Sputnik as one of the main vaccines, which was a bust. So we'll see. I got AstraZeneca.
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Re: Together we will beat Covid_19
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2021, 01:34 AM »
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55% of the population under the poverty line and soaring unemployment thanks to the long, strict lockdown. The government handled everything poorly. Hospitals did collapse in smaller towns as they stole funds and never did anything to improve conditions. I live in Buenos Aires, where about 40% of the population lives, so it was hit the hardest. Hospitals never collapsed here, but the lockdown did destroy the economy and we have 73% of youth living in poverty. almost 40% of the teens in public secondary schools dropped out. Most public schools did nothing, they messed up badly.

In terms of COVID, 5M cases, 117K deaths, about 70% vaccinated. But they chose Sputnik as one of the main vaccines, which was a bust. So we'll see. I got AstraZeneca.
Those are very high numbers. How is Argentina handling this situation economically? From the numbers it's a mess but is there a bright spot? Is corruption that high in Argentina?
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« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2021, 03:41 PM »
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Those are very high numbers. How is Argentina handling this situation economically? From the numbers it's a mess but is there a bright spot? Is corruption that high in Argentina?
Nope, not a single bright spot. Economically down the drain. Inflation skyrocketed and so did poverty. We went from 1 USD = 60 ARS to 1 USD = 200 ARS in the span of a year. for tourists, it's super cheap. But for us living here it's not good. Corruption is off the charts.
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« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2021, 01:53 PM »
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Nope, not a single bright spot. Economically down the drain. Inflation skyrocketed and so did poverty. We went from 1 USD = 60 ARS to 1 USD = 200 ARS in the span of a year. for tourists, it's super cheap. But for us living here it's not good. Corruption is off the charts.
That is really bad news. weird since Argentina had a good economy decades ago. why does the economy act up this way? How was the country before all of this? Before the economy started to act up.
 

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« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2021, 09:10 AM »
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That is really bad news. weird since Argentina had a good economy decades ago. why does the economy act up this way? How was the country before all of this? Before the economy started to act up.

We haven't had a good economy in decades. I was born in 86 in the middle of a hyperinflation. Then we had about 6 years of relative calm, from 92 to 98, then another crisis till 04, then from 04 to 08, relative calm. Another crisis. Next, a fourth crisis in 2011-2013. Then, a fifth one in 2018. Now this one.
This one is the worst one yet. Even worst than the one in 01. the only good news is that the current govt only has 2 years left.
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« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2021, 09:37 AM »
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We haven't had a good economy in decades. I was born in 86 in the middle of a hyperinflation. Then we had about 6 years of relative calm, from 92 to 98, then another crisis till 04, then from 04 to 08, relative calm. Another crisis. Next, a fourth crisis in 2011-2013. Then, a fifth one in 2018. Now this one.
This one is the worst one yet. Even worst than the one in 01. the only good news is that the current govt only has 2 years left.
Sounds like a mess over there. Is every government that bad over there?