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This is the new thread as the other was sooo long and had lots of pages. Continuation of our wonderful discussions on Twilight Fanfiction, Books, and Life in general.  But mostly Twilight fanfics... and life stuff that will get me a NOT ALLOWED statement. 

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Was Charlie supposed to be poor? I guess I missed that. I just always figured he stayed in the house he and Renee and Bella shared when she was little, and just never moved out of habit. Charlie never struck me as the kind of guy who cared a lot about things like clothes and household decor, not poor. He obviously had enough money to go visit Bella or go on trips with her during the summer, once she decided she didn't want to visit him in Forks anymore. Poor people can't just go off to Disneyland for two weeks in the summer.

Is that something that shows up a lot in fics, and I missed it there too?

I agree that he is not superficial but it seems that in fanfiction especially they make him seem like he doesn't have money. College seems like a big thing in fanfiction. It seems like Bella is self sacrificing going to college because her parents/Charlie can't afford to send her. She is struggling for grants and scholarships. Charlie could easily help her get loans and whatnot for continuing education. I will admit it's been a while since I read the original books. The fanfiction has kind of taken over and Twilight facts become blurred. It seems that writers allude that Charlie is struggling financially.

 
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I agree that he is not superficial but it seems that in fanfiction especially they make him seem like he doesn't have money. College seems like a big thing in fanfiction. It seems like Bella is self sacrificing going to college because her parents/Charlie can't afford to send her. She is struggling for grants and scholarships. Charlie could easily help her get loans and whatnot for continuing education. I will admit it's been a while since I read the original books. The fanfiction has kind of taken over and Twilight facts become blurred. It seems that writers allude that Charlie is struggling financially.

I guess compared to Cullen wealth, Charlie would seem poor, lol. Also, I get the feeling that Renee wasn't particularly well off, I think I remember a lot of jobs and moving around mentioned in the books, so maybe Bella just kept on living the way she was raised with Renee, having to worry about money and just not wanting to be a burden on Charlie. Bella WAS written as very self sacrificing, not wanting to be a burden and not being comfortable taking things from others.
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Bella WAS written as very self sacrificing, not wanting to be a burden and not being comfortable taking things from others.

YESSS. One thing that I've noticed with Twilight fanfiction is that it's very common for Bella to be written however the author sees fit, and it's pretty rare for me to see something that's super canon in the Book Bella sense. I didn't particularly care for Bella in the books, but I haven't read them in awhile, so at this point fanfiction Bella is more canon to me than SM's Bella. I just think it's interesting to see how fandom has kind of shaped this character over the years. SM laid down the foundation and ff authors are taking off with the model, making it their own and even profiting (50 Shades) from it.
 

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LOL!  :D

Seriously! He didn't renovate his house, he used his patrol car as his car, never went out except for the diner or the reservation. He either watched sports on TV or went fishing. He didn't have a computer or Internet. He had to have quite a little nest egg even with paying child support. He probably could have sent Bella to a decent university. It never understood that.
I'm thinking college is really expensive, and being as Bella doesn't want to be a problem? Yeah, she probably was trying to not cost him any money. 

But I also think you all are right - writers read into Twilight that Charlie was poor because compared to the Cullens, he was.  And well, Renee definitely wasn't doing too good.  But then she really didn't work at anything long enough to be good at it.

I think it's another one of those things that one writer writes it that way and the next thing you know, everyone writes it that way. 

That being said? My husband likes to fish.  And fishing gets to be really expensive when you start buying lures and line and rods and putting gas in the boat, etc....  Really.  It's crazy how much he spends on that crap.  When they say fish at the market costs $6.99 a pound, but fish you catch yourself is $500 a pound, it's pretty close....

And it's like a drug addition....  :D :D :D :D :D :D
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YESSS. One thing that I've noticed with Twilight fanfiction is that it's very common for Bella to be written however the author sees fit, and it's pretty rare for me to see something that's super canon in the Book Bella sense. I didn't particularly care for Bella in the books, but I haven't read them in awhile, so at this point fanfiction Bella is more canon to me than SM's Bella. I just think it's interesting to see how fandom has kind of shaped this character over the years. SM laid down the foundation and ff authors are taking off with the model, making it their own and even profiting (50 Shades) from it.
This!   :sign0103: :sign0103:  LOL! No really  :iagree: :iagree:

Canon Bella isn't really canon....
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YESSS. One thing that I've noticed with Twilight fanfiction is that it's very common for Bella to be written however the author sees fit, and it's pretty rare for me to see something that's super canon in the Book Bella sense. I didn't particularly care for Bella in the books, but I haven't read them in awhile, so at this point fanfiction Bella is more canon to me than SM's Bella. I just think it's interesting to see how fandom has kind of shaped this character over the years. SM laid down the foundation and ff authors are taking off with the model, making it their own and even profiting (50 Shades) from it.

Oh yeah, "my" Jasper doesn't remotely resemble canon Jasper, because I read so much non-canon. If he doesn't have a bit of a southern twang and wear cowboy boots, it just doesn't feel right to me!

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I'm thinking college is really expensive, and being as Bella doesn't want to be a problem? Yeah, she probably was trying to not cost him any money. 

But I also think you all are right - writers read into Twilight that Charlie was poor because compared to the Cullens, he was.  And well, Renee definitely wasn't doing too good.  But then she really didn't work at anything long enough to be good at it.

I think it's another one of those things that one writer writes it that way and the next thing you know, everyone writes it that way. 

That being said? My husband likes to fish.  And fishing gets to be really expensive when you start buying lures and line and rods and putting gas in the boat, etc....  Really.  It's crazy how much he spends on that crap.  When they say fish at the market costs $6.99 a pound, but fish you catch yourself is $500 a pound, it's pretty close....

And it's like a drug addition....  :D :D :D :D :D :D

Yep, fishing is more than just worms and a rod! Especially for people that do it that often!
 

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I guess compared to Cullen wealth, Charlie would seem poor, lol. Also, I get the feeling that Renee wasn't particularly well off, I think I remember a lot of jobs and moving around mentioned in the books, so maybe Bella just kept on living the way she was raised with Renee, having to worry about money and just not wanting to be a burden on Charlie. Bella WAS written as very self sacrificing, not wanting to be a burden and not being comfortable taking things from others.

True she is at that and doesn't want to be a burden. I think it's funny that she is raised by this free spirited mother and yet she is just like her father. I think Charlie would do anything for Bella. He is also self sacrificing and just a good man. He and his daughter are so alike and neither wants to put the other out. Although some of my favorite parts in the Twilight saga are the awkward father/daughter moments. They really need to develop some communication skills. LOL!

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YESSS. One thing that I've noticed with Twilight fanfiction is that it's very common for Bella to be written however the author sees fit, and it's pretty rare for me to see something that's super canon in the Book Bella sense. I didn't particularly care for Bella in the books, but I haven't read them in awhile, so at this point fanfiction Bella is more canon to me than SM's Bella. I just think it's interesting to see how fandom has kind of shaped this character over the years. SM laid down the foundation and ff authors are taking off with the model, making it their own and even profiting (50 Shades) from it.

Bella seems like a blank canvas to me. She is like the ultimate Mary Sue. You can make her any way you want. I love the creativity and personality that has been given to her in fanfiction. She still has some of the characteristics that SM gave to her but she has blossomed in fanfiction. I never saw the Jane Eyre comparison that SM spoke of. Jane was passionate, strong willed and a frame work for modern feminism.  I don't see that in canon Bella at all but I do in the fanfiction.
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I'm thinking college is really expensive, and being as Bella doesn't want to be a problem? Yeah, she probably was trying to not cost him any money. 

But I also think you all are right - writers read into Twilight that Charlie was poor because compared to the Cullens, he was.  And well, Renee definitely wasn't doing too good.  But then she really didn't work at anything long enough to be good at it.

I think it's another one of those things that one writer writes it that way and the next thing you know, everyone writes it that way. 

That being said? My husband likes to fish.  And fishing gets to be really expensive when you start buying lures and line and rods and putting gas in the boat, etc....  Really.  It's crazy how much he spends on that crap.  When they say fish at the market costs $6.99 a pound, but fish you catch yourself is $500 a pound, it's pretty close....

And it's like a drug addition....  :D :D :D :D :D :D

I never thought of that. So very true. They have all those expensive fishing gadgets like the fishing sonar thingy. Men like their toys whatever they may be. Hmmmmm...I am seeing Charlie with new eyes now. ;)  :D
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Bella seems like a blank canvas to me. She is like the ultimate Mary Sue. You can make her any way you want. I love the creativity and personality that has been given to her in fanfiction. She still has some of the characteristics that SM gave to her but she has blossomed in fanfiction. I never saw the Jane Eyre comparison that SM spoke of. Jane was passionate, strong willed and a frame work for modern feminism.  I don't see that in canon Bella at all but I do in the fanfiction.

You said it better than I could. I also found this while I was thinking about things.

Note, the Mary Sue. I didn't think the books were that bad, but again, I haven't read them in awhile. I didn't like Edward in the books either -- basically I just hate everyone. Yet for some reason I can read fanfiction. I just sit and wonder if people use fanfiction as an outlet to write out their dream love lives, and use Edward's character as a canvas for their own happily ever after. I've come across so many stories where I wanna shout out and throw things over unrealistic situations but I have to remember that it's fanfiction, fiction at best and then I get upset over the fact that I've been robbed of my efforts and time over fanfiction, which is why I loved the Flounced Fics thread  8) But I only react this way to Twific. I've never experienced this kind of rage over any other fandom stories that I've read through, and I've read a lot.


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That being said? My husband likes to fish.  And fishing gets to be really expensive when you start buying lures and line and rods and putting gas in the boat, etc....  Really.  It's crazy how much he spends on that crap.  When they say fish at the market costs $6.99 a pound, but fish you catch yourself is $500 a pound, it's pretty close....

I remember the first time I realized how expensive it is to keep up with a boat because I went on a little joy ride out on a lake and when we got to the docking station to put gas in the boat it was around $300 to fill up! It's even worse at the beach with yachts, I once saw a pump that had just pumped $1200 worth of gas  :o
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Note, the Mary Sue. I didn't think the books were that bad, but again, I haven't read them in awhile. I didn't like Edward in the books either -- basically I just hate everyone. Yet for some reason I can read fanfiction. I just sit and wonder if people use fanfiction as an outlet to write out their dream love lives, and use Edward's character as a canvas for their own happily ever after. I've come across so many stories where I wanna shout out and throw things over unrealistic situations but I have to remember that it's fanfiction, fiction at best and then I get upset over the fact that I've been robbed of my efforts and time over fanfiction, which is why I loved the Flounced Fics thread  8) But I only react this way to Twific. I've never experienced this kind of rage over any other fandom stories that I've read through, and I've read a lot.


I remember the first time I realized how expensive it is to keep up with a boat because I went on a little joy ride out on a lake and when we got to the docking station to put gas in the boat it was around $300 to fill up! It's even worse at the beach with yachts, I once saw a pump that had just pumped $1200 worth of gas  :o

Romance equals purple prose. I remember reading a Harlequin Romance when I was in my early teens and laughing silly at the writing style. As an adult I don't mind it as much. I just want a story that I can get lost in.

When I first read the Twilight Saga I liked the overall premise of it but felt it lacked something. There was something there that hooked me but I just needed more. I felt unfulfilled with it. That's what made me seek out the fanfiction and, boy, have I gotten fulfilled. LOL!

I've read a lot of fanfiction over the years also. I really loved the Harry Potter fandom and thought the writers were some of the best. I must say that I've been blown away by the Twilight writers. The stories they write are quite addictive. Just like the original books had that hook that made you crave more, so does the fiction created from it. I have tried countless times to remove myself from reading it. I know it's a lost cause now. It's better to just admit I have a Twilight fanfiction addiction and get everyone I know to start reading it. LOL!

I also like the flounced fic thread. It's very helpful. I find I skim many stories now. So many storylines have been used and reused that things can get predictable. It's better to know ahead of time and not waste the time or energy.

I have found I am pretty good at spotting a fanfic turned published fiction now. It seems that fanfiction writers have a certain style they keep even if it's an original published fic. Anyone else notice that too?
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Romance equals purple prose. I remember reading a Harlequin Romance when I was in my early teens and laughing silly at the writing style. As an adult I don't mind it as much. I just want a story that I can get lost in.

When I first read the Twilight Saga I liked the overall premise of it but felt it lacked something. There was something there that hooked me but I just needed more. I felt unfulfilled with it. That's what made me seek out the fanfiction and, boy, have I gotten fulfilled. LOL!

I've read a lot of fanfiction over the years also. I really loved the Harry Potter fandom and thought the writers were some of the best. I must say that I've been blown away by the Twilight writers. The stories they write are quite addictive. Just like the original books had that hook that made you crave more, so does the fiction created from it. I have tried countless times to remove myself from reading it. I know it's a lost cause now. It's better to just admit I have a Twilight fanfiction addiction and get everyone I know to start reading it. LOL!

I also like the flounced fic thread. It's very helpful. I find I skim many stories now. So many storylines have been used and reused that things can get predictable. It's better to know ahead of time and not waste the time or energy.

I have found I am pretty good at spotting a fanfic turned published fiction now. It seems that fanfiction writers have a certain style they keep even if it's an original published fic. Anyone else notice that too?
I've barely been able to read anything but fanfiction in the last 4 years.  Really.  Maybe one or two books and they were new stories in a series I was reading.  So I haven't really spotted any fanfics rewritten as OF. 

I really enjoy most fanfiction stories I've read.  And I um forget to finish a lot as well.  Mostly why I rarely read WIPs anymore.....I can't remember I'm reading them so I miss so many chapters.  Then I read it again and yeah, this is so familiar...  Sigh. 

But Twilight writers, well, lets put it this way.  JK Rowland is a great writer.  You love her writing and her characters.  Stephanie Meyer, well, you love her world and her characters.  But her writing? Not so perfect.  So add some great writers with interesting or even not so unusual story ideas and you have some amazing Twilight fanfiction. 

And of, course, there are some not so great writers... but as you say, that's what the flounced thread is for...  :D :D :D :D
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When I first read the Twilight Saga I liked the overall premise of it but felt it lacked something. There was something there that hooked me but I just needed more. I felt unfulfilled with it. That's what made me seek out the fanfiction and, boy, have I gotten fulfilled. LOL!


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Bella seems like a blank canvas to me. She is like the ultimate Mary Sue. You can make her any way you want.

 8) pardon my ignorance, but who is Mary Sue? Am thinking she is another book character? From what book?
 

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8) pardon my ignorance, but who is Mary Sue? Am thinking she is another book character? From what book?

Nope  8)

a Mary Sue is an idealized character representing the author

So, Bella being the best student with perfect beauty, being able to succeed in anything she wants etc = Mary Sue
Another Mary Sue trait is knowing things she shouldn't. Meaning ifthe Cullens are new and Bella greets them all by name (because the author of course knows them...) = Mary Sue

example: (not that bad story, but Bella is very Mary Sueish...)

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then there are all those stories that pair Edward with someone else... those extremely beautiful girls with names nobody can pronounce... = means author wrote herself in the story = Mary Sue story
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8) pardon my ignorance, but who is Mary Sue? Am thinking she is another book character? From what book?

^^^ all of that
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I've always thought of the term Mary Sue as a character where the author pulls a whole *insert self here* into the plot. Kind of like playing Mad Libs with your own characteristics, or writing all of traits you would admire into this one character so they're AWESOME

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I have found I am pretty good at spotting a fanfic turned published fiction now. It seems that fanfiction writers have a certain style they keep even if it's an original published fic. Anyone else notice that too?

I'm not that good, but I'm sure with the way a lot of authors have begun self publishing it's going to become more prevalent and easier to notice. I have no clue how it works, I'm sure they edit themselves, but do they have other people going over the content and adding suggestions like editors do for a publishing house? There's a lot of fanfic out there that's soooooo long and mostly full of filler (in my opinion) and then I see notice that they're pulling to publish and I'm just so amazed. Half the Harry Potter books aren't as long as some of the stuff I've read. Just amazing. But more power to them.

Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone - 76,944 words
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - 85,141 words
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban - 107,253 words
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - 190,637 words
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix - 257,045 words
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - 168,923
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Approximately 198,227
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8) pardon my ignorance, but who is Mary Sue? Am thinking she is another book character? From what book?

Mary Sue has kind of evolved over the years. This is from Wikipedia that explains how I perceive a Mary Sue character.

"Mary Sue" today has changed from its original meaning and now carries a generalized, although not universal, connotation of wish-fulfillment and is commonly associated with self-insertion. True self-insertion is a literal and generally undisguised representation of the author; most characters described as "Mary Sues" are not, though they are often called "proxies" for the author. The negative connotation comes from this "wish-fulfillment" implication: the "Mary Sue" is judged as a poorly developed character, too perfect and lacking in realism to be interesting.

And these "Sue's" are seen a lot in Fanfiction.

Einstein Sue is an intelligent variant of a Mary Sue. Like the way Mary Sue is perfect at her job, Einstein Sue is more intelligent than any other character. She (or he) will be the one that always comes up with the best solution to a problem, despite a team of equally qualified scientists thinking about the same problem.

Jerk Sue is a short-tempered character who lashes out with her fists, usually at men. Intended to be a feisty, independent woman who can fight her own battles, a Jerk Sue actually comes across as an aggressive bully.

Sympathetic Sue is a character full of angst. This is a type of Mary Sue who wants your sympathy. Normally an emotional female character, Sympathy Sue probably had abusive parents, had a hard time growing up on the streets, saw her parents killed or is the last of her species. She cries a lot and might resort to self-harm.

Now Bella is flawed and I think many of her flawed traits are SM's own. Bella looks like SM. To me she is definitely a proxie for wish fulfillment. Bella is a very flat character to me. SM perceives her as this strong multifaceted personality. I've heard her compare Bella to Jane Eyre and Elizabeth Bennett. I don't see either of those characters in Bella.
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Mary Sue has kind of evolved over the years. This is from Wikipedia that explains how I perceive a Mary Sue character.

"Mary Sue" today has changed from its original meaning and now carries a generalized, although not universal, connotation of wish-fulfillment and is commonly associated with self-insertion.

Thanks for all the definitions!  :)

Sadly, it's friday here, took me 2 hours driving home from work,  distance of 19 kms.  >:(

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SEX! :laugh:

Has FF.net been a big ole piece for anyone else? It won't load or take forever 80% of the time. I'm getting really pissed.

LOL!

Sex is part of it for me and also character development. The characters have become more fleshed out in Fanfiction. (I know I will pay for the fleshed out comment) ;)

And yes FFn has been slow for me also. Depends on what time of day I go there though.
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LOL!

Sex is part of it for me and also character development. The characters have become more fleshed out in Fanfiction. (I know I will pay for the fleshed out comment) ;)

Adding fuel to the fire you've lit...  :57:
 
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Its funny with the discussion of ages and school start times, I just started a fic that addresses their ages right from the start since Edward is older.  Apparently he got sick too many days and had to repeat Kindergarten.

 
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